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Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.02 14:47:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:as i said int he other thread:
DO NOT TOUCH ORE OR COMPRESSION, they are fine
Most people haven't figured it out, I have and I like my advantage
I have bought roughly 50-70 bil of ore a week with no issues at GOOD prices, please don't screw it up, it is a good balance and requires putting on big boy pants and a thinking cap. Best addition to the game in years. There's no thinking cap involved. There is a massive amount of round-trip hauling, which is perhaps the worst sort of pointless busywork that exists in this game. As a result, few people are doing compression and I expect a shocking number of those are hauling bots. No sane human at the computer can sit there doing round trips from a station to a pos in a freighter all day. |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:18:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote:Ore compression is fine. If people can't find enough of it, the simple reason is that they do not pay enough for it to be an incentive (basic market rule and all).
This is obviously untrue, and we've been seeing that since Crius was released. Price signals do not work when the producers are too dimwitted to respond to them. Furthermore the immense effort of compressing any reasonable amount of ore is not a fun addition to the game. Nobody wins when someone's doing an infinite number of round trips to their pos. Their pos has nothing valuble in it, their freighter doesn't either (and even if it did, it's ungankable unless they don't think to dock up) and the actual gameplay is basically a war crime.
Anyone who wants to verify what I say is correct needs only look at the actual compressed ore volume in jita. I have simply halted my T1 building until it's fixed, and I'm not the only one.
edit: I suspect the PL posters seeking to keep ore compression kneecapped are doing so because with their hordes of renters in the drone regions, they've got ample local ore supplies: http://i.imgur.com/nCFLg91.png. With ore compression currently basically unworkable right now, that means they have their competition idle and can raise prices.
I wholeheartedly approve from a screw everyone get yours perspective, but it's not good game design. |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.02 17:50:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote: You can currently buy plenty of compressed veldspar at a 19% markup in Jita. Seems fair to me considered the hauling around issue.
go try to buy a reasonable amount of compressed mexallon and isogen at any price whatsoever |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:08:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote: C.) That is reinforcing my point. If you need Low-Ends in 0.0 you probably should pay a premium for it in 0.0 (or in highsec for the logistical effort). That way your miners might stop mining Arkonor and start mining Veldspar solving a few problems on the way.
i don't know why someone who doesn't know what an ore anomoly is feels qualified to comment on this issue, but be assured this is a remarkably dumb response |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.02 18:25:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote:There is plenty of tritanium and pyerite in 0.0. Including anomalies. yes, that is affirmatively not the case as anyone who has looked at the composition of a grav anomoly knows
this is like an embarrassingly basic mistake and it would really be best if you stopped posting so the more intelligent people could discuss |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.02 19:15:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote: You are entitled to your opinion. So am I to mine:
people are entitled to their own opinion
you seem to believe you are entitled to your own facts |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.02 20:55:00 -
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Querns wrote:mup Deninard wrote:one of the main things i have noticed is that people are saying that there is not enough supply of compressed ore. the main reason for this is that many small mining gangs don't have access to compression arrays. they either don't want the hassle of setting up a pos or if they have access it costs them a large chunk of their margin. refining was the old compression and all the miner had to do was pay for transport (at most) now it is compression and transport. if you want this fixed then either show that it is easy to set up a pos (and not too expensive) or ask ccp to do the unthinkable and allow the last non combat capital access to hisec ( or allow orcas to compress). with the ship option it would not take long for the compressed ore to flow to jita in large qauntities. even small gangs could see the sense of getting a rorqual and then ccp would actually see rorquals in a belt. obviously most small gangs already have orcas. Giving the orca the ability to compress is something I've thought about. I'd still prefer station compression, but this would also be a compromise that would be acceptable. Yeah, this is a solid compromise. |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:32:00 -
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Prophet Tier wrote: No, this is a bad idea. This would completely remove a player activity (running a pos and compressing). The functionality exists, adjust your prices and the demand will be filled by "pubbies."
this is no more meaningful gameplay than creating standings corps was
it's a mindless move thing from point a to point b, in a way that creates no interesting gameplay for anyone. |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.03 17:44:00 -
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Prophet Tier wrote: Yet alliances exist to facilitate this exact thing. See Red Frog and Push X. If it's boring to you, then don't do it. The interesting gameplay is that it creates an environment for freighter ganking which you, as a goon, should appreciate.
Dry your eyes, little goon, and HTFU.
as i have explained numerous times to people, such as yourself, who have not thought this through: it does not
the freighter goes from the station to the pos shield and back
it is never in a gankable spot. it is completely solo activity. hauling between systems is an activity that adds to the game. this does not
the caliber of thought deployed against me is the clearest sign that i am correct |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:24:00 -
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Grace Chang wrote:So, after it has been pretty much established that exactly nobody, just goons, wants to change compression - any bets it is going to change?
I think it's pretty clear that the only intelligent opposition to the idea comes from a bare handful of players, mostly Kenneth Feld and to a certain degree Steve. The majority of the opposition comes from the barely-literate crowd who have only really puzzled out that because goons want something, they oppose it. |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:29:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:If you are going to allow compression in station or in an Orca, why not just have it mined compressed, just shows up in your ore hold as compressed
This way there will be zero thought required
BTW: For the thick and goons, that above was a joke Because then compression still requires a reasonable amount of cooperation (and, unlike pos compression, offers PvP opportunities).
I fully understand wanting the game to be as obtuse and difficult as possible when you've figured out the way through the obtuseness and wish to protect your competitive advantage by keeping that barrier up. But that's not a reasonable argument that this is good game design, which still has not been made. Having people warp a freighter to a POS and back provides no useful content for anyone: it is make-work. The POS never has anything of value in it worth attacking. The freighter is always within a docking ring or pos shields.
What's the value here, besides that other people are less likely to jump through these machoistic hoops? |

Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:31:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote: Hulkageddon, burn jita, Ice interdiction and luv squad aren't helping you much in the quest for ore huh?
I can't imagine how much pride was swallowed along with alot of other things to allow renters, now you have to go to the pubbies and get ore instead of ganking
HOLY FULL CIRCLE Batman
fortunately, thanks to winning B-R, we have not needed to kowtow to the peasants of eve in the hopes they will give us enough dirt scratched out of the ground to replace our losses :v: |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:54:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote: Shouldn't all of this been thought of before you guys insisted that CCP change the game to make the high sec peasants work for you? It is a little late to think things through when you are standing there with egg on your face.
We thought all this through and posted as much when the change was announced, but reserved judgment to see how the market adapted and if highsec was a little brighter than we gave it credit for. Our initial pessimism about the intelligence of the highsec miner has been proven correct, and the market demonstrates that.
The many worthless highsec miners we have squashed over the years can bleat all they want, but the facts are incontestable. Ore compression isn't working as intended and the market shows that. As a result, the loudest screams against our calm, reasoned pointing out of the facts are basically monkeys throwing poop everywhere in an effort to distract from those facts. That you neither saw nor understood those posts is not a problem for us.
What the market is doing can be verified by anyone. Compressed veldspar somewhat exists. But the compressed ore market is badly broken, and the behavior it incentivizes to fix it is unfun solo activity that creates no content for anyone. |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.04 17:55:00 -
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this thread is reminding me though why it's so great to whip the lash at highsec
we gotta do that some more, it's been a little while since we ground our boot in highsec's face and taught them who their masters are |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.04 18:11:00 -
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GreasyCarl Semah wrote:
I read that and simply didn't care. But let me recap for you since you can't seem to read either....all of that should have been thought of before you cried to CCP to get the system changed. We get it, Goons can't get enough low end ore. It isn't that we don't understand the problem, the way the game works or anything else, it is that we don't care. You guys approved of these changes and made troll post after troll post on this very forum about how high sec folks were going to break their backs for you. Now that things aren't working out, you expect us to care. We don't. No one really does except for you and your five forum alts.
ok dinsdale, i will be sure to remember that when feeding ccp their orders at our next nullsec cabal meeting |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.04 19:14:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Querns wrote:Also, is asking for any change "crying," or is it only changes you don't agree with? Yes. Asking for changes that directly benefit you is infact crying. all changes that make EVE Online a better game benefit us because as the Overmen we will maintain our position of dominance regardless of the changes, but the better the game is the more we enjoy playing it in addition to the enjoyment we always get of being gods among cattle |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:22:00 -
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Sentamon wrote: Every highsec miner needs to read this thread. You can bet the vast majority will do the same.
hahahahaha good one, highsec miners don't even look at their clients let alone the forums |

Retar Aveymone
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Posted - 2014.09.04 22:33:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote: My goal is to FORCE you to do this
come now, we're goons, i have a much better idea than THAT if it comes down to it
but lowering yourself to begging highsec miners for scraps of ore in exchange for you posting that pl respects them, have you no dignity |
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